How Central Banks Manipulate Precious Metal prices

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Silver Star Wars Kid Fights JP Morgan - Crash JP Morgan, Buy Silver

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Gold and Silver Prices Signal the Destruction of the Dollar

Gold and Silver Prices Signal the Destruction of the Dollar


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The Federal Reserve is Responsible for the last 2 Decades of Economic Turmoil
1. Beginning with the Savings & Loan crisis in 1990, each engineered crisis is growing in intensity and carnage. First, there was the Internet bubble crash then the Real Estate bubble meltdown and now we are at the footsteps of an unprecedented acceleration of price increases in food and energy.

In 2007, commodity prices soared when there was actually a slowdown in the global economy. There was no reason for commodity prices to go ballistic at that time, except for federal reserve intervention. The price of oil went from $78 to $147. High gas prices actually burdened the average US consumer with an additional "tax" of five hundred billion dollars.

That 500 billion dollar "hidden tax" was ONE of many reasons, we are IN the current Great (NON) Recession.

(The US Dollar Index is Worthless)
2. On CNBC they often point to the dollar index and state that a weaker dollar is good for the export economy. Currently US Dollar index looks bad - but it actually means nothing because it is being compared to other world wide fiat currencies undergoing massive debasement. Worldwide central banks, seem to be in a currency death dance, racing each other to the bottom in the name of international competitiveness.

Gold and Silver is the Only way to test the Strength of our Currency.

The dollar is weakening against other currencies but when compared against the price of precious metals and raw materials we can see THE THE TRUE VALUE OF A US FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE


(GOLD AND SILVER ARE NOT EXPENSIVE)
3. The truth is Gold and Silver prices are just Getting Started. If you pay attention the public is selling not buying gold (cash4gold commercial)
What happened during the Internet bubble? The average Joe was piling into tech stocks and many individuals were giving up there jobs to day trade full time

And we all know what transpired during the last death throws of the Real estate bubble. People were buying at the peak 3, 4, 5, 10 home and flipping every WHICH way to make AS LITTLE AS 20,000

The common JOE, BUYS into manias...When all your neighbors are hoarding and trading gold, and telling you real estate is a waste of time and money, it may be the time to look at diversifying some your investments out of gold and silver.

WHAT I SEE PERSONALLY IS
10 years of Real Estate Stagnation & Depreciation &
10 years of Gold & Silver Appreciation

4 (JOBS ARE NOT COMING BACK TO THE US)
TO QUOTE Dr. Marc Faber: "COMPANIES would be out of THEIR minds, with health care reforms, government interventions and the uncertainty about future taxes in the US, to even consider expanding in the US.

Corporations are expanding in China, India, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Africa and Brazil. The business world is an international place today, and if you run a corporation, whether you employ 50 or 10,000 PEOPLE, you can choose where you invest your money in terms of capital spending.

Where do you want to expand factories? If I employed people in the US, I would rather think of reducing the 50 employees RATHER THEN HIRING MORE.

Mike Maloney : Silver is cheaper than Dirt

Silver Bullion Is Dirt Cheap - Mike Maloney & David Morgan on Silver Investing

          Own Gold Directly Where it is Cheaper, Easier and Safer – Bullionvault.com

For the weary stock investor, this year has been one filled with uncertainty and volatility, but Gold has prospered, setting new price records with each passing month, and showing no signs of pulling back in the near future.  In fact, Gold prices have been on a tear for the past decade, outstripping any traditional investment instrument in total return.  For the average investor, the question then becomes, “How do I invest in this valuable commodity?”

There are actually a variety of ways.  You can invest directly in gold mining companies or exchange-traded or mutual funds that focus on this sector of the market.  You can buy gold coins at retail prices that are unreasonably inflated, thereby defeating the ability to achieve a decent return.  Lastly, you can invest directly in owning the precious metal by working with a transfer agent that buys the bullion on the market at wholesale and then secures the asset in a formidable vault for safekeeping.

The leader in this field of agents is Bullionvault.com.  This company has been devoted to this primary service since 2005, and their website will both educate you on how to invest in Gold and facilitate the process online.  The key things to know are:

·         You can buy gold here today. You will own proven, pure gold grams of approved bullion market gold;

·         Buying gold bullion directly on a gold exchange gets you a far better gold price;

·         Store the gold you buy in the professional vault of your choice: in New York, London or Zurich.

For those investors that wish to balance their portfolios or prefer owning Gold directly, the process has never been easier.  As with any international dealer that receives monies from across a border, there are necessary precautionary procedures required to validate your identify and comply with regulatory requirements.  For this reason, it is recommended that a basic wire transfer from your bank be used to fund your account.

Before your account is funded, the company will actually give you a gram of Gold to get started.  What could be easier than that?  As for bullion storage charges, as one satisfied customer stated, “The monthly cost is the same as a beer.”  Experts are on hand to help you, and customer testimonials on the Internet have been quite favorable.  Bullionvault.com – The safe way to own Gold!

   

China Goes for Gold

Gold demand will continue to increase as China's central bank supports an expansion of the gold market. Don Dion currently Holds IAU and GDX
Wed 08/04/10 06:00 AM EST -- Don Dion
Stocks in this video: GDXJ | KGC | IAU | GDX

Investing In Gold with Tom OBrien

Insight on gold now, with Tom O\'Brien, \

Gold Down But Not Out - Ben Davies

Despite gold's eight percent drop this past month, the commodity is still the world's "currency of first resort," Ben Davies, CEO of Hinde Capital, told CNBC.

Copper Tops Gold, Stocks

FBN's Sandra Smith on the strong growth in copper.

Gold a Good Investment or a worthless rock ?

Discussing whether gold is a good hedge against inflation or just worthless rock, with James Altucher, Formula Capital and Don Luskin, Trend Macro.

Place Your Bets on Gold

With economic uncertainity ahead, Thomas Wrigglesworth, head of Asia Pacific metals & mining research, Citi, shares his strategy for investing in gold. He speaks to CNBC's Oriel Morrison & Adam Bakhtiar.

Stocks Could Lift Gold : Phil Streible of Lind-Waldock

Stocks Could Lift Gold
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Lind-Waldock Senior Market Strategist Phil Streible says a good earnings season for equities could boost the price of gold.

demand for Silver could soar due to its application in The solar panel market

Due to emerging industrial applications in medical, solar energy and water purification demand for silver has been rising the price will follow

"The solar panel market is particularly strong at the moment, and there's been an uplift for both silver and molybdenum demand for panels," Mark Pervan, head of commodity research at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd. in Melbourne, told Bloomberg.demand for Silver could soar due to its application in the The solar panel market

Gold Spike Could Reach $1,500 - John Meyer from Fairfax IS. Nick Parson from National Australia Bank

European Lenders start to use Gold Reserves to raise cash

The price of gold could go as high as $1,500 per ounce in a sudden spike, according to John Meyer from Fairfax IS. Nick Parson from National Australia Bank joined the discussion.

More Upside For Gold in 2010 - Ashraf Laidi

Ashraf Laidi, Chief Market Strategist at CMC Markets, shares his 2010 outlook on gold.

Silver Shortage - Money manager predicts the price of silver to skyrocket on industrial growth.

Money manager predicts the price of silver to skyrocket on industrial growth.

Is Gold the Next Bubble?

Is Gold the Next Bubble?
With gold having run up to record prices of late, some have wondered whether the yellow metal is likely to be the next bubble? Brett Arends discusses. And Peter Lattman profiles C. Dean Metropoulos, an low-profile investor with a knack for rebuilding old brands like Chef Boyardee, Bumble Bee and Schlitz. His most recent purchase: Pabst Blue Ribbon.

GOLD in the IMF

The IMF holds a relatively large amount of gold among its assets, not only for reasons of financial soundness, but also to meet unforeseen contingencies. The IMF holds 103.4 million ounces (3,217 metric tons) of gold, worth about $83 billion as of end-August 2009, making it the third-largest official holder of gold in the world.

The IMF's Executive Board recently approved limited sales of gold. Learn more about Gold and IMF.

Value Investor Charles De Vaulx Loves Gold

Famous value investor Charles De Vaulx loves gold vs fiat currencies. When asked if gold is going up based on the "great fool theory," De Vaulx says that those buying paper that can be printed endlessly are the greater fools.

 

Silver is Trading like a Currency, Finally!

Over the past few days, silver has bucked the trend of falling ever time the stock market sells off. The price seems to be rising as economic fear grows, much like gold. This means that investors are increasingly seeing silver as a currency, not just an industrial commodity.

GATA Chief Adrian Douglas outlook for the precious metals

GATA Chief Adrian Douglason Russia Today

GATA (Gold Anti Trust Agency) Director and CEO of Market Force Analysis Adrian Douglas giving a brief overview of the precious metals situation.

Gold peaks at $1263 - Robby Noel vs CNBC Jun 18 2010

CNBC maintains that Gold is in a bubble

CNBC maintains that Gold is in a bubble. Robby says CNBC is a worthless financial channel.

Gold peaked at $1263 but settled at $1257.
Silver peaked at $19.30 but settled at $19.19.

Robby maintains that the media is not focusing enough on the financial crisis. Caller mentions having difficulty trying to talk to friends about Zionism.

Robby explains when he was on the American Freedom Network and he did a interview with James Dobson. Robby questioned why were we going to war and alienated some people back then. Robby mentioned the manipulation during the first Gulf War where the media bought out that princess who said that Saddam was killing babies. Suddenly people were for the war.

Robby gives a background on how he came to realize Christian Zionism is a problem. He will be giving a announcement soon about when he will go back to South Africa.

Mike Maloney : Gold standards are not the holy grail of monetary systems

Gold standards are not the holy grail of monetary systems. They merely open up the possibility of governments abusing the system and printing more receipts for gold and silver (cash) than they have in physical metal. One of the reasons that we are living through such turmoil is that we allowed governments to cheat gold. A more stable system: use gold and silver themselves as money, as the free market has demanded for the last 2000 years.

$1 trillion of minerals and Gold found in Afghanistan

(CNN) - According to the New York Times, a massive reserve of mineral deposits has been found in Afghanistan. Our Christine Romans has the report.


June 14, 2010 — The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials. Paul Jay says that United States has known all about these minerals since 2007, why is this story just coming out now?

Mini Fort Knox in Asia - JP Morgan fears Confiscation

A Mini Fort Knox built by JP Morgan in Singapore due to "fear of confiscation". Next Stop for Gold: $1500

Mini Fort Knox in Asia - Robby Noel June 10 2010
Kelvin Tay, chief investment strategist at UBS Wealth Management, expects gold prices to hit $1500 in 12 months. He tells Paul Schulte, managing director at Nomura International and CNBC's Martin Soong and Karen Tso why he is so bullish on the precious metal.



Robby Noel June 10 2010 - Mini Fort Knox in Asia - CF


Highlights:

Robby plays a clip from Asian Squawk Box.

12:23
>>>A Mini Fort Knox built by JP Morgan in Singapore due to "fear of confiscation".


18:30
U.S. Asset Managers worry about that the U.S. administration could confiscate Gold for economic reasons. THE FACT THAT U.S. ASSET MANAGERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CONFISCATION IS IMPORTANT.

27:50
Robby makes a good case for taking notice of these important developments. This is not the coin industry promoting 'confiscation' that makes this worth watching.

Robby later on talks about the 1933 Gold Confiscation Act in detail. Only 2 people were said to have been convicted of the 1933 Act. Despite what the coin companies may say. Robby does not recommend you selling your Gold for other types of Gold because of confiscation fears.





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Two Golden Mercedes AMG Cars in Dubai Mall

Two Golden Mercedes AMG Cars in Dubai Mall

Gold to Hit $2,000?

Robert McEwen, chairman of U.S. Gold, a gold exploration company, tells CNBC he expects the precious metal to hit $2,000.

Iran Buys Gold and US Dollar

Iran Buys Dollar, Gold

June 03, 2010 — Former U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Bolton on the reasons behind the Iranian central banks decision to sell euros to buy the U.S. dollar and gold.

Gold Rush : Whats Driving Main Street Investors to Buy Gold?

June 02, 2010 — Gold dealer Arthur Blumenthal on why the sales of gold bullion and coins continues to be strong.

Gold Rush or Fools Gold? Dylan Ratigan

If you want to pay 74% more for gold coins than necessary, then follow the advice of snake oil salemen like Glenn Beck and buy those gold coins from Goldline.

Who Owns the Gold in Ft. Knox ? - Lew Rockwell and Judge Napolitano on Freedom Watch

Ludvig von Mises Institute Chair Lew Rockwell on auditing the Federal Reserve

Who Owns the Gold in Ft. Knox? - Lew Rockwell and Judge Napolitano

Gold May Rise to $3,000 in Several Years Rosenberg Says

May 28 (Bloomberg) -- David Rosenberg, chief economist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc., talks with Bloomberg's Matt Miller and Carol Massar about the outlook for gold prices and U.S. stocks. (Source: Bloomberg)

GoldMoney Founder James Turk interviewed at Baird Co. by ITN

GoldMoney at Baird & Co.

GoldMoney's Founder James Turk interviewed at Baird & Co. by ITN's London

Peter Schiff: Glenn Beck Doesn't Know That GOLDLINE Is Ripping People Off!

MSNBC 25 may 2010

Buy gold on dips for long-term: Kotak

May 19, 2010 — In an interview to CNBC-TV18, Amol Tilak, Head-Research at Kotak, spoke about his outlook on gold, silver, copper and nickel.^M ^M

Gold rush in China is pushing the Gold price to all times high

Chinese love GOLD

May 18, 2010 — China is now the number one consumer of Gold , and it is not just consumers , the central bank of china is quietly building up its reserves moving away from Euros and Dollars into hard assets like Gold ...and to meet this demand for gold China is opening new mines every month to the point that China now eclipsed south africa as the gold's first producer , Smart Chinese buying gold and dumping FIAT at rapid rates....

I guess they see currencies are only headed one way...DOWN!

Gold Bull vs. Bear

Tom O\'Brien, editor of The Gold Report, expects a $200 pullback in gold, and Brian Hicks, of US Global Investors, thinks the commodity could soar to $1,500. They go head-to-head on CNBC.

Gold May Rise for Several Decades says Robert Cohen, manager of Goodman

May 17, 2010 — May 17 (Bloomberg) -- Robert Cohen, manager of Goodman & Co.'s Dynamic Gold & Precious Metals Fund, talks with Bloomberg's Julie Hyman about influences on the gold market and the outlook for gold prices. Cohen also discusses some of his gold-related stock recommendations including Osisko Mining Corp., Red Back Mining Inc. and San Gold Corp. (Source: Bloomberg)

Watch out for GLD pretending to be GOLD

GLD vs GOLD

May 14, 2010 — Watch out for that GLD, it isn't really GOLD.

Read the prospectus on the ETF, I believe they hold 10%...I am not sure I even trust that as an accurate number.

Physical is the only way to protect yourself form the Banksters Paper Games.
Yes, it is a game of musical chairs...

Paper gold is NOT physical gold!
If it isn't in your hands, then you don't own it.

Gold Stocks vs. Gold Bullion

Colin Whitehead, senior analyst with Fat Prophets, says gold stocks tend to overreact on the downside to market movements. He makes the case for why gold bullion is a safer investment with CNBC’s Oriel Morrison.

Mike Maloney Silver at $100 oz CNBC 4-2010

Mike Maloney says Silver at $100 /oz is a no brainer on CNBC 4-2010

Robert Kiyosaki : Cash is Trash Gold and Silver is Gods money

Robert Kiyosaki of 'Rich dad Poor dad' self help book fame, describes in overview how he reckons silver is a winner and "cash is trash" Very interesting.
Robert Kiyosaki : Cash is Trash Gold and Silver is God's money , the Dollar and the Euro will go towards Zero ,

David Morgan : the fundamentals of Silver on HoweStreet

David Morgan of The Morgan Report and silver-investor.com discusses the possible coming trend, and again why silver makes a bit more sense, albeit a volatile potential investment, as opposed to gold, although he does not advise against investing in it either. It's a very compelling look at what is happening right now

TIME Magazine Interviews: Robert Kiyosaki

The financial guru's new book is 'Conspiracy of the Rich.' Robert Kiyosaki will now take your questions

Rothschild gold price manipulation explained

LM Rothschild gold price manipulation explained

Gold 15000 $ per ounce ! - Last huge bubble ! Max Keiser

George Soros said that GOLD IS THE LAST HUGE BUBBLE
Ask delivery for your paper gold certificates today !

Robert Kiyosaki: Why Silver Bullion Is The Biggest Investment Opportunity Ever

Today there is more gold on planet earth than silver , Silver is a bargain today everybody can buy it ...Robert Kiyosaki with Michael Maloney, explains why silver is the biggest opportunity of them all (bigger than real estate). Click on this link: http://bullion.tel to find out how Im getting silver bullion far below spot value.. you must see this! Buying silver right now while it's historically CHEAP will ensure that over the next few years (as the prices keep rising) you will have a valuable stack to sell for huge profits.

Gold is The only Global Money - Robert Ian on GoldSeek Radio april 2010

The biggest bull market in history !
Robert Ian on GoldSeek Radio April 2010

Gold Set to Go Higher says Mathew Kaleel

Gold prices are set to go higher, believes Mathew Kaleel, co-founder and portfolio manager at H3 Global Advisors. He shares his outlook, with CNBC's Amanda Drury, Sri Jegarajah and guest host Simon Burge, chief investment officer at ATI Assset Management.

When Will Gold Hit $1,200 ? David Morgan

When Will Gold Hit $1,200?

NEW YORK (TheStreet) - David Morgan, founder of Silver-Investor.com, breaks down the fundamental factors currently supporting the gold market from investment to physical demand and when he thinks the precious metal will hit $1,200.

Andrew Maguire exposes systemic fraud by CFTC & JPMorgan

Andrew Maguire finally exposes systemic fraud by CFTC & JPMorgan

Gold New All Time High - Will Rhind, head of US operations for ETF Securities

Gold's New All Time High

NEW YORK (TheStreet) - Will Rhind, head of US operations for ETF Securities, says although gold prices are flat lining in U.S. dollars, prices are hitting all-time highs in euro terms.

Gold prices need to overcome several resistance areas before it can reach its all-time high

Gold Prices Have More to Prove

NEW YORK (TheStreet) - Jon Nadler, senior analyst at Kitco.com, says gold prices need to overcome several resistance areas before the precious metal can reach its all-time high.

Bill Murphy interviewed about The Gold Price Manipulation

Exposing Gold Price Manipulation

A Congressional hearing aims to expose a 10 year conspiracy of price manipulation in the gold and silver markets. Bill Murphy, chairman of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee says he has evidence that will expose the wrong-doings of the U.S. government and others. He explains to CNBC's Martin Soong & Karen Tso.

Lihir Rejects Newcrest Bid

Lihir Gold has rejected an US$8.5 bn billion takeover offer from Newcrest Mining

Ron Cameron, senior analyst at Ord Minnett and Greg Canavan, editor of Sound Money - Sound Investments, weigh in on the deal, with CNBC's Amanda Drury & Sri Jegarajah

MURDER JP Morgan Chase GATA & microphone problems are just coincidences ?

David Smith talks about crimes committed by JP Morgan Chases on whistleblowers and GATA, precious metals prices manipulation
recorded on April 1st 2010 (this is NOT a joke)
see the interview of March 30th and 31st 2010 on KingWorldNews dot com about Andrew Maguire and Adrian Douglas

The Andrew Maguire LBMA whistleblower story

Bill Murphy of GATA Reveals Whistle-Blower in Gold Price Suppression

Bill Murphy, Chairman of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee delivers his testimony about a whistle-blower in the gold price suppression scheme to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission on 3/25/10.

Robert Kiyosaki It is a Great Time to Buy Silver

Economic Collapse- Robert Kiyosaki Says The Worst To Come- Depression Or HyperInflation

Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad said we should all prepare for the worst because we are either going into a Depression or Hyperinflation. The U.S. dollar will be coming down and things will get tough. The U.S. Government is inflating the stock market along with the banks.

Oil and Gold on the Rise

Insight on the huge week for energy watchers and policymakers at a key conference in Houston, with CNBC\'s Sharon Epperson

Buy Gold While Supplies Last, Says Fund Manager

Lost in the headlines over the dollar's resurgence in 2010 is the fact gold is still rising in most worldwide currencies. It is also still faring well in dollar terms. Gold is trading at around $1,120 per ounce, up about $60 in the last month. Frank Holmes, CEO and CIO of U.S. Global Investors, a long time gold bull sees no reason for this trend to end.

Dollar Rises on IMF Gold Sales, Fed Exit Strategy

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg's Sara Eisen reports on the outlook for the U.S. dollar. (Source: Bloomberg)

Why $15,000 Gold is Possible Mike Maloney, author of Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver

Why $15,000 Gold is Possible

Mike Maloney, author of Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver, reve

Silver shares down by about 7.6%

In midday trading Thursday, Silver shares were relative laggards, down on the day by about 7.6%. Helping drag down the group were shares of First Majestic J

Gold Plated Ferrari in The streets of Paris

This is a Saudi owned Gold plated Ferrari , the clip was shot in Paris France , the owner is probably a saudi prince

Barratt Says Platinum Stand-Out Among Precious Metals

Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Jonathan Barratt, the Sydney-based managing director with Commodity Broking Services Pty, talks with Bloomberg's Bernard Lo about the outlook for gold and platinum prices. Even after a record 57 percent rally last year, platinum is cheap relative to gold, signaling more gains as demand grows from carmakers and exchange-traded funds. (Source: Bloomberg)

Gold Price Plummet as the Dollar Bounces up

Gold is Overreacting

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Nicholas Brooks, head of research and investment strategy for ETF Securities, says investors are spooked by China credit tightening worries and Greece debt fears. Brooks thinks uncertainty is overblown but the gold prices will stay in a tight range.

McEwen wants U.S. Gold in the S&P 500

U.S. Gold Goes It Alone

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Robert McEwen, CEO of U.S. Gold, explains why his go-it-alone company strategy could pay off big in the long term.

Jon Nadler Gold Bubble Phobia

Gold's Next Leg Down

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Jon Nadler, senior analyst at Kitco.com, argues that investment demand for gold is waning as traders shift to platinum and palladium for more speculative upside.

Stocks in this video: SWKS | TQNT | LLTC | ADI | RFMD

McEwen Gold will hit $5000/oz in Two Years

Gold will be $5000 in 2 to 4 years - CEO of US GOLD

Jan. 12 Robert McEwen, chairman and chief executive officer of U.S. Gold Corp., talks with Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker and Deirdre Bolton about the outlook for gold prices. McEwen expects gold prices to increase to $5,000 an ounce between 2012 and 2014 as rising U.S. government debt depreciates the value of the dollar.

Gold and Silver Shares updates for today

Wednesday Midday Sector Laggards: Silver, Gold Stocks

In midday trading Wednesday, Silver shares were relative laggards, down on the day by about 5%. Helping drag down the group were shares of Mines Management (MGN), down about 9.8% and shares of Silver Standard Resources (SSRI) down about 9.1% on the day.

A new type of gold rush

A new gold rush is on in Austin.

James Turk on the risks of owning paper Gold

James Turk physical Gold vs Paper Gold

James Turk, founder of GoldMoney, speaks about the risks of paper gold and about future gold prices.